Subtlety Rogue

Patch 8.3

Written by Perfecto Last Updated: 12th Jan, 2020

Some content in this guide is based on PTR/early data

Updates will be made after raid progress is finished and more accurate information is available.

Recommended Talents

Recommended Raiding Build

Recommended Mythic+ Build

Boss specific recommendations and strategy:

Raid Bosses

Talents Discussion

Tier 1 (15)

Find WeaknessPassive

Weaponmaster: makes your Shadowstrike and Backstab have a chance to hit an extra time, while also giving you the extra combo points from the double hit.

Find Weakness: places a debuff on your target, making your attack bypass 40% of it’s armor. It’s the go to choice for single target in the row and the talent you should be picking in most situations.

Gloomblade: replaces Backstab and isn’t currently a very popular choice outside of PvP.

Tier 2 (30)

Shadow FocusPassive

Nightstalker: gives you a 12% buff while in Shadow dance or Stealth. It’s a very bursty option, but for lengthy fights you’ll be finding yourself lacking the necessary energy to pull your combos off regularly.

Subterfuge: is a talent that’s mostly used in PvP and sees little potential outside of that facet of the game.

Shadow Focus: is the primary talent picked from the row in the vast majority of cases. It makes your ability cost 20% less energy while in Shadowdance or Stealth, which helps with the fluidity of the spec.

Tier 3 (45)

Deeper StratagemPassive
Marked for DeathInstant

Vigor: increases your maximum energy by 50 and your energy regeneration by 10. The spec becomes relatively faster and easier to play, but due to the low combo point cap, you’ll be finding yourself capping often. This makes the talent less desirable.

Deeper Stratagem: increases your combo points from 5 to 6, while also buffing the damage of your finishers by 5%. It should be your go to talent and while playing it you should be aiming to use a finisher at 5 combo points to avoid overcapping.

Marked for Death: generates 5 combo points by marking your target, resetting when it dies. It’s a good choice for single target burst, but you’re not likely to drop Deeper Stratagem for it.

Tier 4 (60)

Soothing DarknessPassive
Cheat DeathPassive

Soothing Darkness: heals you by 3% of your maximum health per second while in Shadow Dance or Stealth.

Cheat Death: should be your go to talent choice in the row as it allows for a more risky playstyle. Saving you from a death on a 6 minute cooldown.

Elusiveness: is situationally good in certain encounters where you need the extra reduction in damage while soaking, but isn't currently used anywhere in BoD.

Tier 5 (75)

Shot in the DarkPassive
Night TerrorsPassive
Prey on the WeakPassive

Shot in the Dark: gives you a free Cheap Shot after entering Shadow Dance or Stealth.

Night Terrors: makes your Shuriken Storm slow the target by 30%. It’s a good choice to have when you don’t have the option of a better slow in your group, but there’s also times when you don’t want mobs to be slowed.

Pray on the Weak: Targets stunned with Kidney Shot or Cheap Shot take increased damage. This should be the go-to talent choice in the row as it helps with bursting down one target.

Tier 6 (90)

Dark ShadowPassive
Enveloping ShadowsPassive

Dark Shadow: is the more bursty option of the row. It’s not quite as good as its counterparts in the current meta but whenever there’s any need to burst something down, it should be your absolute best choice.

Alacrity: increases your haste by 2% per combo point, stacking up to five times. It’s a more passive option that doesn’t necessarily change your gameplay.

Enveloping Shadows: causes your finishers to reduce your Shadow Dance cooldown by an extra 1 second, whilst also giving you an extra charge of Shadow Dance. It should currently by your default choice of the row.

Tier 7 (100)

Master of ShadowsPassive
Secret TechniqueInstant
Shuriken TornadoInstant

Master of Shadows: In the most interesting row of the talent tree, Master of Shadows remain as the most useful choice in most situations.

Secret Technique: is an excellent choice for M+ and particularly when there’s AoE burst needed.

Shuriken Tornado: is a fairly powerful talent for a situation such as Zul in Uldir, or Opulence in BoD.