Subtlety Rogue Playstyle and Rotation Guide

Patch 10.2 Last Updated: 6th Nov, 2023
Stealthi Subtlety Rogue Author
Stealthi

Playstyle & Rotation

General Rotation:

When you play with the Deeper Stratagem and Secret Stratagem talents, you will finish at 6 or more combo points (5 while in Shadow Dance), which also applies to all the finishers in the priority lists. However, it does not apply if you are playing Resounding Clarity and have charged combo points active.

Below I will list spells in a priority order to make it easier to understand the importance of certain parts of the gameplay loop for subtlety.

Single target Priority list

  1. Be in Stealth if possible.
  2. During Shadow Dance.
  3. Use Combo Point builders with the following priority.
  4. Use Backstab during Shadow Blades to generate a Danse Macabre stack.
  5. Use Shadowstrike.
  6. Use Finishing Moves when on 5 or more Combo Points with the following priority.
  7. Use Secret Technique if you have 3 or more Danse Macabre stacks.
  8. Use Eviscerate.
  9. Outside of Shadow Dance.
  10. Use Combo Point builders with the following priority.
  11. Use Backstab.
  12. Use Finishing Moves when you have 6 or more Combo Points with the following priority.
  13. Use Slice and Dice if it's not up already or if it has less than 12 seconds left.
  14. Use Rupture if it's not up already or if it has less than 9 seconds left.
  15. Use Eviscerate.
  16. Cooldowns.
  17. Use Shadow Blades always to line it up with Flagellation.
  18. Use Symbols of Death on cooldown or with less than 3 seconds remaining, Invigorating Shadowdust or the season 2 tierset can lead to overlaps.
  19. Use Shadow Dance with low combo points during Symbols of Death or when you are about to cap on charges.
  20. Use Vanish outside of Shadow Dance on low Combo Points or when Shadow Dance and Symbols of Death is on cooldown if specced into Invigorating Shadowdust.
  21. Use Thistle Tea for energy or if you are about to cap on charges.
  22. Use Flagellation at 6+ combo points so you can use a finisher immediately after it and if Shadow Blades is up or have less than 14 seconds left on its cooldown.

Opener

Single target opener

Optional: With & Without a specific talent

Note that with the single target opener when playing the talent Shadowcraft you need to pay attention to your Shadow Technique stacks since you will get some combo point refunds especially after your Secret Technique.

Disclaimer if you are still using the season 2 tierset that grants you Symbols of Death on Shadow Dance casts you wanna follow the old rules still and delay your Symbols of Death for after your Secret Technique cast.

  1. Start from Stealth.
  2. Use Shadowstrike.
  3. Use Shadowstrike.
  4. Use Flagellation.
  5. Use Shadow Dance.
  6. Use Rupture.
  7. Use Backstab + Thistle Tea + Symbols of Death + Shadow Blades.
  8. Use Eviscerate.
  9. Use Shadowstrike.
  10. Use Secret Technique.
  11. Use Shadowstrike.
  12. Use Eviscerate.
  13. Use Shadowstrike.
  14. Continue with the normal priority list.

Multi Target Priority list

  1. Be in Stealth if possible.
  2. During Shadow Dance.
  3. Use Combo Point builders with the following priority.
  4. Use Backstab during Shadow Blades to generate a stack of Danse Macabre if on 3 targets or less.
  5. Use Shadowstrike to consume Premeditation or always during Shadow Blades or if on 3 targets or less.
  6. Use Shuriken Storm.
  7. Use Finishing Moves when you have 5 or more Combo Points with the following priority.
  8. Use Secret Technique if you have 3 or more Danse Macabre stacks.
  9. Use Eviscerate when fighting less than 3 targets or for priority damage (funneling)
  10. Use Black Powder.
  11. Outside of Shadow Dance.
  12. Use Combo Points builders with the following priority.
  13. Use Backstab when you have Shadow Blades up only on single target.
  14. Use Shuriken Storm.
  15. Use Finishing Moves when you have 6 or more Combo Points with the following priority.
  16. Use Slice and Dice if it's not up or if it has less than 12 seconds remaining or if on 6 targets or less.
  17. Use Rupture if it's not up or if it has less than 9 seconds remaining.
  18. Use Eviscerate when on less than 3 targets or for priority damage (funneling)
  19. Use Black Powder.
  20. Cooldowns.
  21. Use Shadow Blades always line it up with Flagellation.
  22. Use Symbols of Death on cooldown or with less than 3 seconds remaining, Invigorating Shadowdust or the season 2 tierset can lead to overlaps.
  23. Use Shadow Dance with low combo points during Symbols of Death or when you are about to cap on charges.
  24. Use Vanish outside of Shadow Dance on low Combo Points or when Shadow Dance and Symbols of Death is on cooldown if specced into Invigorating Shadowdust
  25. Use Thistle Tea for energy or if about to cap on charges.
  26. Use Flagellation at 6+ combo points so you can use a finisher immediately after it and if Shadow Blades is up or have less than 14 seconds left on its cooldown.

Standard Mythic+ AoE opener and gameplay

A brief explanation of one way to do an AoE opener, note that this does not include Shuriken Tornado.

    Disclaimer: if you are still using the season 2 tierset that grants you Symbols of Death on Shadow Dance casts you wanna follow the old rules and delay your Symbols of Death for after your Secret Technique cast.

    1. Start from Stealth.
    2. Use Shadowstrike.
    3. Use Rupture.
    4. Use Shuriken Storm.
    5. Use Flagellation.
    6. Use Shadow Dance + Thistle Tea + Symbols of Death + Shadow Blades + Black Powder.
    7. Use Shadowstrike.
    8. Use Secret Technique.
    9. Use Shuriken Storm.
    10. Use Black Powder.
    11. Use Shuriken Storm.
    12. Use Black Powder.
    13. Continue with the normal priority list.

    When playing Shuriken Tornado, use this before entering Shadow Dance with Symbols of Death up. In a lot of cases when playing m+ you are gonna be chain pulling, or it takes 5-15 seconds for the tank to gather up mobs you can use this time to put up ruptures on as many targets as possible, if this is the case then you start from the Flagellation mark with full Combo Points.

    After leaving Shadow Dance, keep maintaining Ruptures on targets that will stay alive for 12+ seconds, and otherwise just rotate Shuriken Storms into Black Powders.

    Playstyle

    Danse Macabre

    Many people have asked if we “play around Danse Macabre”, and the answer would be “maybe?”. We do a few things to play around the damage buff gains.

    Apart from these quite small things, we do not play around Danse Macabre stacks, they happen naturally and you don’t have to worry about it.

    Finality: Rupture

    I did not know where to put this information, but I feel like it's important to know.

    Basically, we play around Finality Ruptures in Dragonflight because of how much damage Rupture is doing at the moment. I will try to make it as simple as possible.

    It's a decent gain to refresh Rupture inside of Shadow Dance as your first finisher if you have Finality Rupture buff up, this is due to Finality being very strong and the reintroduction with Nightstalker dot snapshotting.

    Pandemic Timers

    Subtlety has two abilities affected by the pandemic timer (30% of the duration), Rupture and Slice and Dice. Most modern Weakaura packages come with a check for pandemic on these abilities, but if you do not have that, these are the timers:

    Survivability

    In general, a Rogue is probably one of the most sturdy DPS classes in the game.

    Playing around this fact is often underrated when it comes to DPS. We can do things that few other classes would get away with. Limit testing with FeintCloak of Shadows, and Cheat Death is one of the first things I do when testing bosses on PTR.

    How much can you get away with before it becomes a problem for both healers and your life?

    And this becomes even more true in patch 10.2 with all the new defensive utility talents getting introduced such as Ephemeral Bond, Exhilarating Execution, Graceful Guile and even Elusiveness if Cheat Death is not needed since it makes Evasion and Feint a 20% DR.

    Movement

    I won't say too much about this, but I will say that any good Subtlety rogue knows how to get the most out of Sprint and Shadowstep.

    • Getting that extra melee or ability off before having to move by stepping a ranged DPS
    • Sprint and gap close with Shadowstep
    • Avoid knockbacks with Shadowstep
    • Vanish (2 charges in Dragonflight) and Shadowstrike teleport